. everybody agrees at least on a tax cut on the first $250,000, let's pass it, let's give america's middle class certainty in terms of how much they can spend on their holiday gifts. let's come back as soon as we can and negotiate the tougher issues. that's just common sense and reasonableness. >> let's talk about numbers. let's throw the common sense and courage out the window for now, talk hard numbers. if we can throw up the dow now, it has been up, here it is, about 100 points. and there is an article, congressman, in the washington post, saying traders think -- they do think, perhaps you don't, in terms of a huge deal, but a deal will be reached before the end of the year and there is not this feeling on wall street that -- i'm quoting this article, that a short-term voyage off the cliff would do no lasting harm to the economy. what are you hearing from wall street? sounds like some folks aren't so nervous. >> there is a variety of opinions, diversity of opinions. i said show me two economists and i'll show you six different opinions. the opinions are out of my control. what is in my